Pete Zaitcev (zaitcev) wrote,
Pete Zaitcev

Ding-dong, the witch is dead

Reactions by G+ inhabitants were better than expected at times. Here's Jon Masters:

For the three people who care about G+: it's closing down. This is actually a good thing. If you work in kernel or other nerdy computery circles and this is your social media platform, I have news for you...there's a world outside where actual other people exist. Try it. You can then follow me on Twitter at @jonmasters when you get bored.

Rock on. Although LJ was designed as a shitty silo, it wasn't powerful enough to make itself useless. For example, outgoing links aren't limited. That said, LJ isn't bulletproof: the management is pushing the "new" editor that does not allow HTML. The point is though, there's a real world out there.

And, some people are afraid of it, and aren't ashamed to admit it. Here's Steven Rostedt in Jon's comments:

In other words, we are very aware of the world outside of here. This is where we avoided that world ;-)

So weak. Jon is titan among his entourage.

Kir enumerated escape plans thus (in my translation):

Where to run, unclear. Not wanting to Facebook, Telegram is kinda a marginal platform (although Google+ marginal too), too lazy to stand up a standalone. Nothing but LJ comes to mind.

One thing that comes across very strongly is how reluctant people are to run their own infrastructure. For one thing, the danger of a devastating DDoS is absolutely real. And then you have to deal with spam. Those who do not have the experience also tend to over-estimate the amount of effort you have to put into running "dnf update" once in a while.

Personally, I think that although of course it's annoying, the time wasted on the infra is not that great, or at least it wasn't for me. The spam can be kept under control with a minimal effort. Or, could be addressed in drastic ways. For example, my anime blog simply does not have comments at all. As far as DoS goes, yes, it's a lottery. But then the silo platform can easily die (like G+), or ban you. This actually happens a lot more than those hiding their heads in the sand like to admit. And you don't need to go as far as to admit to your support of President Trump in order to get banned. Anything can trigger it, and the same crazies that DoS you will also try to deplatform you.

One other idea I was very successful with, and many people have trouble accepting, is having several channels for social posting (obviously CKS was ahead of the time with separating pro and hobby). Lots and lots of G+ posters insist on dumping all the garbage into one bin, instead of separating the output. Perhaps now they'll find a client or device that allows them switch accounts easily.

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> And then you have to deal with spam

This, I guess, is the primary reason why I said "lazy" to the idea of running self-hosted blog. I have experience maintaining openvz infrastructure, that includes a forum, a few mailing lists, a wiki etc. Spammers got me everywhere, I even had to shut down a site/service entirely and deal with a problem. I'm not afraid of spending couple of hours to figure out a script that removes 10000 spam pages or install (or even write) a MediaWiki plugin to prevent automatic registration, but I'd rather ride my motorcycle or play with my kids.

With that said, an idea of a co-op with a few admins that support the service we own and control is not that bad.

And yes, I admit I have yet to take a look at various distributed blog platforms.

Finally, I haven't mentioned twitter in my "where to go". Twitter is not that bad for what it was designed -- sharing a short and simple thoughts or links. For longer posts -- not so much.
Moderation is another big deal for a self-hosted blog (if I'm not the only user, that is). It is not a big deal for a narrow focused project like OpenVZ, but for a general blog platform it's a big headache -- need to have some rules, follow them, react to DMCA requests and user complains...
G+ provided (eventually) "collections" so people could post separately on Programming, on Photography, on Anime, on Movie Reviews, etc, potentially with different audiences. Mastodon is drawing a lot of people I know, but that is much worse at solving that particular problem.
Mastodon is merely an implementation of Fediverse. As it happens, only one of my Fedi channels runs on Mastodon (the Japanese language one at Pawoo). Main still uses Gnusocial, anime was on Gnusocial and migrated to Pleroma a few months ago. I noticed that _a lot_ of people fall to the idea that Mastodon is an exclusive brand. But it's like saying "I'll communicate through Exim". Rarely one has to know or care what MTA someone else uses. Microsoft was somewhat successful in establishing Outlook as such a powerful brand to the exclusion of the compatible e-mail software. The maintainer of Mastodon is doing his hardest to present it as a similar brand, and regrettably, he's very successful at that.